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		<title>By: Affirming What Is &#171; In 2 Deep</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that evening, Takuin responded to a discussion on his blog. &#8220;Many people stop with the idea of surrender. They may think, &#8220;Yes, surrender is the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/a-problem-of-seeing/comment-page-1/#comment-5546</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

Nicely said. You could say the past is responsible for the ego, but it might be more apt to say, the ego is created from what has come before. I think this is clear, and easy to see.

No person can heal when ripping open the scars, but not for the reasons we may think. They begin with the belief that there are scars to be ripped open. But there is not even that much separation. They &lt;em&gt;ARE&lt;/em&gt; the very scars, as well as the activity of ripping them open.

This is very difficult for people. They so badly want to believe their pain, their sorrows, and their suffering are apart from them, as if it is something outside attacking them. But what is really happening?

There is the idea of an identity separate from everything else. It becomes the center that sees; the point of false light, creating its own illusory shadows. Its greatest strength is that it can hurt itself. And through that pain, it seems more real; a being that is separate due to its limited experience. 

But it does not have to be this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>Nicely said. You could say the past is responsible for the ego, but it might be more apt to say, the ego is created from what has come before. I think this is clear, and easy to see.</p>
<p>No person can heal when ripping open the scars, but not for the reasons we may think. They begin with the belief that there are scars to be ripped open. But there is not even that much separation. They <em>ARE</em> the very scars, as well as the activity of ripping them open.</p>
<p>This is very difficult for people. They so badly want to believe their pain, their sorrows, and their suffering are apart from them, as if it is something outside attacking them. But what is really happening?</p>
<p>There is the idea of an identity separate from everything else. It becomes the center that sees; the point of false light, creating its own illusory shadows. Its greatest strength is that it can hurt itself. And through that pain, it seems more real; a being that is separate due to its limited experience. </p>
<p>But it does not have to be this way.</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross,

Thanks so much for your wonderful comment. It is nice to have you here. 

Forget the darkness, forget the searching, forget the blame, and forget the guilt. For that matter, forget what you have read. To see this, you&#039;ll need your energy, and the wastage of energy required to hold a static position takes too much from the only moment you&#039;ll ever have. Even to approach this will require all of your attention. 

Many people talk or write about this, but if there is a path, it will be one of your own exploration; a path devoid of all interference, apart from your own activity. In this place, there is every possibility, and it is not limited by what you accept or believe to be true.

It will arrive when it arrives, and I suppose it is your job to get out of the way and let it happen.

Just do not assume there is a &quot;something&quot; to surrender to. Or if there is even one capable of surrender.

If there is surrender, it will happen despite everything you&#039;ve done to make it happen. But please don&#039;t believe me.

Go into the darkest cave for yourself. You may find, in the deepest recesses, there is far more light than you ever thought possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your wonderful comment. It is nice to have you here. </p>
<p>Forget the darkness, forget the searching, forget the blame, and forget the guilt. For that matter, forget what you have read. To see this, you&#8217;ll need your energy, and the wastage of energy required to hold a static position takes too much from the only moment you&#8217;ll ever have. Even to approach this will require all of your attention. </p>
<p>Many people talk or write about this, but if there is a path, it will be one of your own exploration; a path devoid of all interference, apart from your own activity. In this place, there is every possibility, and it is not limited by what you accept or believe to be true.</p>
<p>It will arrive when it arrives, and I suppose it is your job to get out of the way and let it happen.</p>
<p>Just do not assume there is a &#8220;something&#8221; to surrender to. Or if there is even one capable of surrender.</p>
<p>If there is surrender, it will happen despite everything you&#8217;ve done to make it happen. But please don&#8217;t believe me.</p>
<p>Go into the darkest cave for yourself. You may find, in the deepest recesses, there is far more light than you ever thought possible.</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sass,

It is such a pitiful attempt, this action of the mind. The need to protect what has come before, and the fear that goes along with losing it.

That mind, or thoughts, or whatever you might call it, can never know what it has lost (and I question if anything at all can ever be lost). Never once can there be the knowledge of what is not, and if there is a knowing of the not, it is not the not. 

You might say, &lt;em&gt;What is not, is what is&lt;/em&gt;.

But one can never &quot;know,&quot; either.

One can only pity this mind. All the activity it undertakes in order to find something it can never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sass,</p>
<p>It is such a pitiful attempt, this action of the mind. The need to protect what has come before, and the fear that goes along with losing it.</p>
<p>That mind, or thoughts, or whatever you might call it, can never know what it has lost (and I question if anything at all can ever be lost). Never once can there be the knowledge of what is not, and if there is a knowing of the not, it is not the not. </p>
<p>You might say, <em>What is not, is what is</em>.</p>
<p>But one can never &#8220;know,&#8221; either.</p>
<p>One can only pity this mind. All the activity it undertakes in order to find something it can never know.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sass:  Wonderful poem.  Dead on about the mind holding the past as sacred. Worshiping it.  After all, the ego thinks the past is responsible for its identity.  This makes me ask how does one ever heal if they keep ripping open their  scars and yelling &quot;Look what you&#039;ve done to me!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sass:  Wonderful poem.  Dead on about the mind holding the past as sacred. Worshiping it.  After all, the ego thinks the past is responsible for its identity.  This makes me ask how does one ever heal if they keep ripping open their  scars and yelling &#8220;Look what you&#8217;ve done to me!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Davidya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davidya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sass - it&#039;s not the question that opens the door, its the openness to allow the question as it is that is openness. See? Kind of a trick. 

Yes. And so much conditioning is there, we don&#039;t even see it. We assume it to be right. But if we observe what arises, then consider where it may have come from, we may discover it was just someone&#039;s else&#039;s concept. Not even our own. An illusion we picked up along the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sass &#8211; it&#8217;s not the question that opens the door, its the openness to allow the question as it is that is openness. See? Kind of a trick. </p>
<p>Yes. And so much conditioning is there, we don&#8217;t even see it. We assume it to be right. But if we observe what arises, then consider where it may have come from, we may discover it was just someone&#8217;s else&#8217;s concept. Not even our own. An illusion we picked up along the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Davidya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davidya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross - its more we surrender to what is and the darkness passes. What is darkness? Does it have substance? Or is it illusion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross &#8211; its more we surrender to what is and the darkness passes. What is darkness? Does it have substance? Or is it illusion?</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read that what we call seeing is really just stumbling around in the dark, searching for the light switch.  And if two blind people crash into each other who is more to blame?  There can be no guilt in a world of darkness. 

 Do we surrender to the darkness, or do we continue the search?  Is this analogy appropriate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read that what we call seeing is really just stumbling around in the dark, searching for the light switch.  And if two blind people crash into each other who is more to blame?  There can be no guilt in a world of darkness. </p>
<p> Do we surrender to the darkness, or do we continue the search?  Is this analogy appropriate?</p>
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		<title>By: sass</title>
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		<dc:creator>sass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Eric:  &quot;I saw just enough to judge him but not enough to have compassion&quot;  ---&gt; beautiful!  :-)

To Davidya:  &quot;Can we simply be with the question? That may be the doorway.&quot;
---&gt; the questions can be doors that open to spaces we don&#039;t really know, no? :-)

Yet if one approach the question with the momentum of  ready-hand-me-down answers, the space might not become available at all; and the spaces  these questions might lead us to would just be the space we &quot;want&quot;  to see rather than what is actually there...

To Takuin: 

The Beat
to forget
is to look afresh,
without yesterday&#039;s images,
without yesteryear&#039;s scars

this is not easy
for the mind considers the past
as a sacred, safe, absolute ground
that one should worship, adore,
venerate, and behold

forgetting is blasphemous
to the mind

and the heart is the mind&#039;s
irreverent rebel for the heart forgets
remembrance is not its language
for every beat is new

as the heart beats
it forgets
as it forgets
it frees

...then love is there

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Eric:  &#8220;I saw just enough to judge him but not enough to have compassion&#8221;  &#8212;&gt; beautiful!  <img src='http://www.takuin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>To Davidya:  &#8220;Can we simply be with the question? That may be the doorway.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&gt; the questions can be doors that open to spaces we don&#8217;t really know, no? <img src='http://www.takuin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Yet if one approach the question with the momentum of  ready-hand-me-down answers, the space might not become available at all; and the spaces  these questions might lead us to would just be the space we &#8220;want&#8221;  to see rather than what is actually there&#8230;</p>
<p>To Takuin: </p>
<p>The Beat<br />
to forget<br />
is to look afresh,<br />
without yesterday&#8217;s images,<br />
without yesteryear&#8217;s scars</p>
<p>this is not easy<br />
for the mind considers the past<br />
as a sacred, safe, absolute ground<br />
that one should worship, adore,<br />
venerate, and behold</p>
<p>forgetting is blasphemous<br />
to the mind</p>
<p>and the heart is the mind&#8217;s<br />
irreverent rebel for the heart forgets<br />
remembrance is not its language<br />
for every beat is new</p>
<p>as the heart beats<br />
it forgets<br />
as it forgets<br />
it frees</p>
<p>&#8230;then love is there</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.takuin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Davidya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davidya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and “surrender” becomes the new thing to hold on to. &quot;

A subtle thing, yes. but a very key point for someone so used to being the doer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and “surrender” becomes the new thing to hold on to. &#8221;</p>
<p>A subtle thing, yes. but a very key point for someone so used to being the doer.</p>
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