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		<title>By: takuin</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/does-the-wind-blow/comment-page-1/#comment-13389</link>
		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Kaushik.

I&#039;ve been working on writing with less, these days.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Another pointer is when there is no time delay between feeling and sensing the wind on skin, that is it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, that is right. That time delay is thought, of course. It is very important to see this - perhaps the &#039;most important&#039; thing - but we&#039;ll leave that for another post.

Thanks again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Kaushik.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been working on writing with less, these days.</p>
<blockquote><p>Another pointer is when there is no time delay between feeling and sensing the wind on skin, that is it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, that is right. That time delay is thought, of course. It is very important to see this &#8211; perhaps the &#8216;most important&#8217; thing &#8211; but we&#8217;ll leave that for another post.</p>
<p>Thanks again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kaushik</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/does-the-wind-blow/comment-page-1/#comment-13319</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaushik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice post--to the point and brief (something I have to learn to do).

Another pointer is when there is no time delay between feeling and sensing the wind on skin, that is it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice post&#8211;to the point and brief (something I have to learn to do).</p>
<p>Another pointer is when there is no time delay between feeling and sensing the wind on skin, that is it.</p>
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		<title>By: Davidya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davidya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(laughs)
&quot;But we keep writing and speaking. Who knows why? &quot;

yes, well put.</description>
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&#8220;But we keep writing and speaking. Who knows why? &#8221;</p>
<p>yes, well put.</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/does-the-wind-blow/comment-page-1/#comment-13283</link>
		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was referring to our interference in these things. The wind does play, or it does whatever it does with or without us. Just like the tree falling, the waves rolling in, or whatever. Ah, I think we are saying the same thing now that I re-read your comment. I didn&#039;t go deep enough in the post, it seems.

It is interesting because this &lt;em&gt;freedom&lt;/em&gt; cannot really be explained as solidly as building an engine or putting together some physical object. There is nothing to capture it. A listener might try to put it together to understand it, which I suppose is fine, but once they hold tight to it, and set it up as the right way to be, it is more trouble than it is worth. 

Although I have probably written, or tried to write, some physical understanding of liberation, it is certainly nothing to be believed. And to be absolutely honest, I have no ideas or beliefs about it. But it seems the seeker starts with belief and can never quite shake it. This may arise out of their natural understanding of the physical world; how things are put together, how to interact with the physical, and so on; and they try to use that understanding to break through to their solid depiction of liberation, which is in no way a physical structure. 

For example, a seeker might have the idea that enlightenment is a kind of detached looking. Just a watching of events unfolding with no rhyme or reason. Now, if this is their belief about it, they&#039;ll try to find those same moments in their own life to gauge how well they are doing. So based on what they &lt;em&gt;know&lt;/em&gt; to be true - the ideal enlightenment - they can compare the old me to the new one.

I suppose that activity is easy to see within. And it is easy to talk about because the movement and actions of the self are physical, structured, solid, and with a definite end. It is in reference to the person that wants more of one thing and less of another.

But the liberated being, that is something we cannot really even begin to explain. We can point and say this or that, trying to caress our words as carefully as possible, but we may be causing even more trouble for others. ;)

But we keep writing and speaking. Who knows why? Haha...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was referring to our interference in these things. The wind does play, or it does whatever it does with or without us. Just like the tree falling, the waves rolling in, or whatever. Ah, I think we are saying the same thing now that I re-read your comment. I didn&#8217;t go deep enough in the post, it seems.</p>
<p>It is interesting because this <em>freedom</em> cannot really be explained as solidly as building an engine or putting together some physical object. There is nothing to capture it. A listener might try to put it together to understand it, which I suppose is fine, but once they hold tight to it, and set it up as the right way to be, it is more trouble than it is worth. </p>
<p>Although I have probably written, or tried to write, some physical understanding of liberation, it is certainly nothing to be believed. And to be absolutely honest, I have no ideas or beliefs about it. But it seems the seeker starts with belief and can never quite shake it. This may arise out of their natural understanding of the physical world; how things are put together, how to interact with the physical, and so on; and they try to use that understanding to break through to their solid depiction of liberation, which is in no way a physical structure. </p>
<p>For example, a seeker might have the idea that enlightenment is a kind of detached looking. Just a watching of events unfolding with no rhyme or reason. Now, if this is their belief about it, they&#8217;ll try to find those same moments in their own life to gauge how well they are doing. So based on what they <em>know</em> to be true &#8211; the ideal enlightenment &#8211; they can compare the old me to the new one.</p>
<p>I suppose that activity is easy to see within. And it is easy to talk about because the movement and actions of the self are physical, structured, solid, and with a definite end. It is in reference to the person that wants more of one thing and less of another.</p>
<p>But the liberated being, that is something we cannot really even begin to explain. We can point and say this or that, trying to caress our words as carefully as possible, but we may be causing even more trouble for others. <img src='http://www.takuin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But we keep writing and speaking. Who knows why? Haha&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Davidya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davidya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I see the point you are making but I find it curious. 

It&#039;s like the idea - &#039;if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?&#039; Of course it does. Thinking it does not is rather human-centric, like I am the only one here. The world is full of astonishing life, including the wind itself. 

So of course the wind plays. But I fully agree. There is much advantage to just experiencing the play as it is. Not making a story about it or reacting. Just being with life, as it is. 

The profundity of it is astonishing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I see the point you are making but I find it curious. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like the idea &#8211; &#8216;if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?&#8217; Of course it does. Thinking it does not is rather human-centric, like I am the only one here. The world is full of astonishing life, including the wind itself. </p>
<p>So of course the wind plays. But I fully agree. There is much advantage to just experiencing the play as it is. Not making a story about it or reacting. Just being with life, as it is. </p>
<p>The profundity of it is astonishing.</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
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		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On that day, I&#039;ll stick you with a fork. Haha...

Thank you, Mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On that day, I&#8217;ll stick you with a fork. Haha&#8230;</p>
<p>Thank you, Mike.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Yes it is.  Nevermind then.  One day I&#039;ll say, &quot;Takuin, I&#039;m done.&quot;  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Yes it is.  Nevermind then.  One day I&#8217;ll say, &#8220;Takuin, I&#8217;m done.&#8221;  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
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		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mike.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I want to ask how to get rid of the interference, but I know it’s pointless. No “how” is there.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

DON&#039;T ASK! :) 

You say you know &lt;em&gt;the how&lt;/em&gt; is pointless. But is your &lt;b&gt;knowing&lt;/b&gt; also a &lt;b&gt;HOW&lt;/b&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike.</p>
<blockquote><p>I want to ask how to get rid of the interference, but I know it’s pointless. No “how” is there.</p></blockquote>
<p>DON&#8217;T ASK! <img src='http://www.takuin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>You say you know <em>the how</em> is pointless. But is your <b>knowing</b> also a <b>HOW</b>?</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/does-the-wind-blow/comment-page-1/#comment-13263</link>
		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

Go to the beach. Go to a forest. Go to the mountains. No matter where you go, there you aren&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>Go to the beach. Go to a forest. Go to the mountains. No matter where you go, there you aren&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/does-the-wind-blow/comment-page-1/#comment-13262</link>
		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dan.

Let&#039;s not translate this into another description. It may turn out to be true in the end, but don&#039;t start with a conclusion in mind.

Stillness may be Presence. We could probably end up with those words after a long discussion. But your next move, after the discussion, will be all important. Will you try to be still? Try to be present? Will you waste your life trying to be something you think is better? (I do not mean YOU personally, Dan.)

It is not that you shouldn&#039;t try; otherwise you&#039;ll just be taking my word for it. If you do try, look to whatever arises within you, and don&#039;t let it hide or escape into a safe corner. The only thing you can really do is be aware of how you are functioning, so it isn&#039;t necessarily a matter of finding anything &lt;b&gt;new&lt;/b&gt;, if that is the right word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dan.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not translate this into another description. It may turn out to be true in the end, but don&#8217;t start with a conclusion in mind.</p>
<p>Stillness may be Presence. We could probably end up with those words after a long discussion. But your next move, after the discussion, will be all important. Will you try to be still? Try to be present? Will you waste your life trying to be something you think is better? (I do not mean YOU personally, Dan.)</p>
<p>It is not that you shouldn&#8217;t try; otherwise you&#8217;ll just be taking my word for it. If you do try, look to whatever arises within you, and don&#8217;t let it hide or escape into a safe corner. The only thing you can really do is be aware of how you are functioning, so it isn&#8217;t necessarily a matter of finding anything <b>new</b>, if that is the right word.</p>
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