Do you think there are levels after enlightenment? Like they talk about the Buddha has somehow having a superior enlightenment as compared to the others… or is that just a belief thing?
It seems that we only hear these things from other people; never from the subject of comparison. Someone is always saying it in respect to a standard of some sort. Maybe they think there are levels based on some activity? “This person does this and this, so their level must be higher than the person that doesn’t do the same .” But it is all in relation to what they believe is better.
In a mind that is whole, there are no levels. But in a fragmented mind it seems that there are, because it is possible to believe that certain fragments are better than others, based on what they give to the self.
Levels also introduce time into the whole thing. “It takes time to get from this level to another level.” Sure. But what if there are no levels? That would eliminate time as well, wouldn’t it? ( You can also think of levels in terms of should or should not.)
If there is a level, it is within the field of thought and time. A whole and complete mind is beyond all of that. Not that it is better or worse.
Levels simply are not there.
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Therefore theoretically your saying if one has 100% brain capacity / capability then he or she, It for that matter has supreme existence that is fully awakened / enlightened beyond its conception (pre or unexistent) ie. and animal does not know otherwise thereofore is complete and enlightened in its own state of understanding, If so you beleive such riddles of the mind, such tangents of a poetic philosopher, you lack the real insight to carry over the neccesary guidelines that create a “awakened being”. Such is, a 100% mental capacity has never been recorded in (known science) therefore your “liberal way of thinking” is and I know, theoretical. For one to transcend their own mind to point of disconnection with time space, is in itself enlightenment, is in itself emptyness of idealistic or realistic approaches you here are trying to explain. Such is the idea of transcending ones self, You transcend time and space. And YES transcending time and space is done in TIME AND SPACE, YES is done in levels. Thank you. (one who goes from 2.5-5% Global brain Capability, to a wopping 100%) would 1, die, hemmorage ext.. or 2 go completly insane on attempting to reach that higher level of Capability. Ie. you get the lunatics and people in asylums who are connected higher then “sane people” who cannot reach the epitimy of their self control, and self awakenment, with the capacity their conciousness has reached. Ie, levels of different parts of ones mind, and ones time space.
Thanks, James.
Takuin doesn’t know anything about 100% brain capacity, supreme existence, pre or un-existent this or that, nor does it have any belief about what one should or should not be. It is all far more simple than any of that.
Do guidelines lead to an awakening? Or does anything, for that matter? Not what should or should not lead one there, because that is nonsense.
Again, I am not sure what is this 100% capacity you speak of. This is your belief, not Takuin’s. Perhaps it is this: I have said or written something, and you have translated that to mean ’100% Capacity,’ but your own idea of awakening has nothing to do with brain capacity, so you view my words as a liberal way of thinking (and I am not even sure what that means).
I won’t argue with you. If this is your belief, this is your belief. If you think it takes time, if you think there are levels, then that is that. I won’t try to deny you anything you believe to be true.
Again, I do not know what you are referring to with these percentages of brain capacity. It is all very simple, so let’s not make it complicated.
The only level is wherever you happen to be. Anything else is your thought about what came before, or whatever you hope will come next. The only thing we can really ever be aware of is how we are functioning from moment to moment. Everything else is our story about this or that.
Thanks for your comments, James.
Certainly, you have a way of putting things into perspective. This is the point i make that our awakenings happen in the point of perspective. Where we understand ourselves to be. Though where we are at any given moment may or may not be a matter of our own pure indulgence. I mean 100% brain capacity in the fact that most humans will only use a certain amount of their brain function. When enlightenment in a Liberal way of thinking, means using and being certain of using 100% of your known capability in the ways or (guidelines) that are made out to help and heal and aid in other peoples paths to their own enlightenment. In this we are all contentiously connected and continuously in a state of “situational momentary understanding” of one another and of ourselves. In this there is much indifference, much tribulation in all things that we are. We see and feel the levels of others, their feelings, their thoughts, their momentary purpose, in this we attempt to free them from such a grasp. Though as you would like to beleive, if we are in this constant state of “now” that, space and time forfeits to us, than are we not in a constant state of our own upheaval, both in the whole, and in ourselves.
James,
I’ll add my reply in a new post. You have pointed out many important things here, and I think it may benefit the other readers on the site. If I leave it here on this old post, they’ll miss out on what we are discussing.
So feel free to add your comments on the upcoming post. (I’ll drop a link into the comments here so you’ll be sure to catch it.)
Thanks again.
Here you go James (and everyone else):
http://www.takuin.com/solidifying-the-questioner/
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