Comments on: Quick Thoughts – Levels of Enlightenment

By: takuin

takuin — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 04:06:34 +0000

Here you go James (and everyone else):

http://www.takuin.com/solidifying-the-questioner/

By: Solidifying the Questioner

Solidifying the Questioner — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 04:06:07 +0000

[...] is from a current discussion with James taking place on the post, Quick Thoughts – Levels of Enlightenment. That post is rather old and I thought the readers would miss out on the discussion which has been [...]

By: takuin

takuin — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:37:34 +0000

James,

I’ll add my reply in a new post. You have pointed out many important things here, and I think it may benefit the other readers on the site. If I leave it here on this old post, they’ll miss out on what we are discussing.

So feel free to add your comments on the upcoming post. (I’ll drop a link into the comments here so you’ll be sure to catch it.)

Thanks again.

By: James Masters

James Masters — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:17:57 +0000

Certainly, you have a way of putting things into perspective. This is the point i make that our awakenings happen in the point of perspective. Where we understand ourselves to be. Though where we are at any given moment may or may not be a matter of our own pure indulgence. I mean 100% brain capacity in the fact that most humans will only use a certain amount of their brain function. When enlightenment in a Liberal way of thinking, means using and being certain of using 100% of your known capability in the ways or (guidelines) that are made out to help and heal and aid in other peoples paths to their own enlightenment. In this we are all contentiously connected and continuously in a state of “situational momentary understanding” of one another and of ourselves. In this there is much indifference, much tribulation in all things that we are. We see and feel the levels of others, their feelings, their thoughts, their momentary purpose, in this we attempt to free them from such a grasp. Though as you would like to beleive, if we are in this constant state of “now” that, space and time forfeits to us, than are we not in a constant state of our own upheaval, both in the whole, and in ourselves.

By: takuin

takuin — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:57:56 +0000

Thanks, James.

Takuin doesn’t know anything about 100% brain capacity, supreme existence, pre or un-existent this or that, nor does it have any belief about what one should or should not be. It is all far more simple than any of that.

Do guidelines lead to an awakening? Or does anything, for that matter? Not what should or should not lead one there, because that is nonsense.

Such is, a 100% mental capacity has never been recorded in (known science) therefore your “liberal way of thinking” is and I know, theoretical.

Again, I am not sure what is this 100% capacity you speak of. This is your belief, not Takuin’s. Perhaps it is this: I have said or written something, and you have translated that to mean ‘100% Capacity,’ but your own idea of awakening has nothing to do with brain capacity, so you view my words as a liberal way of thinking (and I am not even sure what that means).

Such is the idea of transcending ones self, You transcend time and space. And YES transcending time and space is done in TIME AND SPACE, YES is done in levels. Thank you.

I won’t argue with you. If this is your belief, this is your belief. If you think it takes time, if you think there are levels, then that is that. I won’t try to deny you anything you believe to be true.

(one who goes from 2.5-5% Global brain Capability, to a wopping 100%) would 1, die, hemmorage ext.. or 2 go completly insane on attempting to reach that higher level of Capability.

Again, I do not know what you are referring to with these percentages of brain capacity. It is all very simple, so let’s not make it complicated.

The only level is wherever you happen to be. Anything else is your thought about what came before, or whatever you hope will come next. The only thing we can really ever be aware of is how we are functioning from moment to moment. Everything else is our story about this or that.

Thanks for your comments, James.

By: James Masters

James Masters — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:21:07 +0000

Therefore theoretically your saying if one has 100% brain capacity / capability then he or she, It for that matter has supreme existence that is fully awakened / enlightened beyond its conception (pre or unexistent) ie. and animal does not know otherwise thereofore is complete and enlightened in its own state of understanding, If so you beleive such riddles of the mind, such tangents of a poetic philosopher, you lack the real insight to carry over the neccesary guidelines that create a “awakened being”. Such is, a 100% mental capacity has never been recorded in (known science) therefore your “liberal way of thinking” is and I know, theoretical. For one to transcend their own mind to point of disconnection with time space, is in itself enlightenment, is in itself emptyness of idealistic or realistic approaches you here are trying to explain. Such is the idea of transcending ones self, You transcend time and space. And YES transcending time and space is done in TIME AND SPACE, YES is done in levels. Thank you. (one who goes from 2.5-5% Global brain Capability, to a wopping 100%) would 1, die, hemmorage ext.. or 2 go completly insane on attempting to reach that higher level of Capability. Ie. you get the lunatics and people in asylums who are connected higher then “sane people” who cannot reach the epitimy of their self control, and self awakenment, with the capacity their conciousness has reached. Ie, levels of different parts of ones mind, and ones time space.