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		<title>By: Takuin Minamoto &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quick Thoughts - Knowing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Takuin Minamoto &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quick Thoughts - Knowing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well said. It is a past/future in...&#187; @Desika I have been thinking on curiosit... &#187; The Importance of Finding Out for Yourself (15)&#187; Question of the Week: 12/31 - 1/06 (14)&#187; Quick Thoughts - Belief in Gravity [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Well said. It is a past/future in&#8230;&raquo; @Desika I have been thinking on curiosit&#8230; &raquo; The Importance of Finding Out for Yourself (15)&raquo; Question of the Week: 12/31 &#8211; 1/06 (14)&raquo; Quick Thoughts &#8211; Belief in Gravity [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Albert &#124; UrbanMonk dot Net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert &#124; UrbanMonk dot Net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... a podcast will be very interesting. And I also agree that it might be the best for something like this. I think reading it will not be as &quot;raw&quot;, or fresh. And also, I&#039;m really curious to hear what you sound like :D . Thanks for considering my request.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; a podcast will be very interesting. And I also agree that it might be the best for something like this. I think reading it will not be as &#8220;raw&#8221;, or fresh. And also, I&#8217;m really curious to hear what you sound like <img src='http://www.takuin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  . Thanks for considering my request.</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
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		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Albert.

I have been thinking about a walkthrough, as you have suggested, and I am still thinking of the best way to deliver. That sort of thing might go better as a podcast. Even if I wanted to make it a normal post, I would still probably record it first, then transcribe it for the blog. 

I&#039;ll think on it. What would you say?

Takuin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Albert.</p>
<p>I have been thinking about a walkthrough, as you have suggested, and I am still thinking of the best way to deliver. That sort of thing might go better as a podcast. Even if I wanted to make it a normal post, I would still probably record it first, then transcribe it for the blog. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll think on it. What would you say?</p>
<p>Takuin</p>
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		<title>By: Albert &#124; UrbanMonk dot Net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert &#124; UrbanMonk dot Net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats a brilliant form of inquiry Takuin, and thanks for taking the time to reply to my questions. could you give an example, maybe a walkthrough, of one of your inquiries? For example - let&#039;s say I inquire into the self. My sensations say that there is a body here, and that body is Albert. 

After that, you&#039;ve sort of lost me. What happens then? How do I see how that relates to all the things you mention?

Thanks again for your time Takuin - I always appreciate it a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats a brilliant form of inquiry Takuin, and thanks for taking the time to reply to my questions. could you give an example, maybe a walkthrough, of one of your inquiries? For example &#8211; let&#8217;s say I inquire into the self. My sensations say that there is a body here, and that body is Albert. </p>
<p>After that, you&#8217;ve sort of lost me. What happens then? How do I see how that relates to all the things you mention?</p>
<p>Thanks again for your time Takuin &#8211; I always appreciate it a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
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		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 06:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Alan. Thanks for all of your participation.

The self always takes things personally, because that is the only way it can operate. It is always relating those things to whatever it views as important. 

For its own security, the self gives everything permanence. Life, experience, nearly everything (and quite possibly, EVERYTHING). But there is great security in that permanence. If the self is convinced that things are the way they are and that is it, then that gives a feeling of certainty. It KNOWS that it can expect things in a certain way, and therefore, feels secure.

And what happens when something contrary to the solidified fantasy occurs? Conflict. And why is that? Because the self cannot let go of what it has built up to be real. It can only see things the way they should be. And when something runs contrary to what is believed, it cannot really consider that it (the self) might be wrong. It is too dangerous to consider.

After all, if the self is wrong about what it believes, what else could it be wrong about? And could the entire notion of the operation of the self be useless?

This is a sequence similar to what happened to me last December. Questions just kept coming, one after another. I wasn&#039;t really aware of the source of the questions, either. But for whatever reason, I just hit the mark and everything exploded.

When you hit at the core of an issue, it is like pulling out the wrong block in a game of Jenga; it all falls to pieces.

Takuin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Alan. Thanks for all of your participation.</p>
<p>The self always takes things personally, because that is the only way it can operate. It is always relating those things to whatever it views as important. </p>
<p>For its own security, the self gives everything permanence. Life, experience, nearly everything (and quite possibly, EVERYTHING). But there is great security in that permanence. If the self is convinced that things are the way they are and that is it, then that gives a feeling of certainty. It KNOWS that it can expect things in a certain way, and therefore, feels secure.</p>
<p>And what happens when something contrary to the solidified fantasy occurs? Conflict. And why is that? Because the self cannot let go of what it has built up to be real. It can only see things the way they should be. And when something runs contrary to what is believed, it cannot really consider that it (the self) might be wrong. It is too dangerous to consider.</p>
<p>After all, if the self is wrong about what it believes, what else could it be wrong about? And could the entire notion of the operation of the self be useless?</p>
<p>This is a sequence similar to what happened to me last December. Questions just kept coming, one after another. I wasn&#8217;t really aware of the source of the questions, either. But for whatever reason, I just hit the mark and everything exploded.</p>
<p>When you hit at the core of an issue, it is like pulling out the wrong block in a game of Jenga; it all falls to pieces.</p>
<p>Takuin</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
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		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 06:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Albert. It makes perfect sense. As you have stated, the ego searching for the ego IS absurd. And even with knowing that, one still goes back to the search. So, what is to be done about it? 

Could it be that understanding through knowledge is not enough? That &quot;knowing it&quot; is not the same as &quot;living it&quot;?

Do we &quot;understand&quot; through what we know? One&#039;s definition of that word might be &quot;to grasp with the intellect,&quot; which would seem to imply, seeing with knowledge. But if one sees through intellect, or knowledge, what is being seen, other than a memory? If that is the case, then knowledge, and understanding, can only take us back to what we already know, and cannot reveal to us what is beyond it. 

So, if we are in agreement so far, then what is to be done? There are several questions one could go into at this point; perception, understanding, knowledge, seeing, the &quot;I&quot; movement, and so on. I would take all of them, and more, in turn, and question them; find out what is at the core. I usually look up a word in a reputable dictionary to see the etymology and the various meanings. Then I see how it relates to memory, action, movement, stillness, etc. 

But when I relate these things, I do not start from the idea that I am right. Or that I have the right idea that everything should be compared to. It is more of a matter of seeing how one&#039;s mind works. How the knowledge contained therein is used, accessed, and stored. How our prejudices dominate over all things. 

It seems daunting, and diligence IS needed, along with a certain amount of sincerity and seriousness. But if it is what you are interested in, go for it. The time will pass anyway, so what would you like to do with it?

You always give me a lot to write about, Albert. Keep it coming.

Takuin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Albert. It makes perfect sense. As you have stated, the ego searching for the ego IS absurd. And even with knowing that, one still goes back to the search. So, what is to be done about it? </p>
<p>Could it be that understanding through knowledge is not enough? That &#8220;knowing it&#8221; is not the same as &#8220;living it&#8221;?</p>
<p>Do we &#8220;understand&#8221; through what we know? One&#8217;s definition of that word might be &#8220;to grasp with the intellect,&#8221; which would seem to imply, seeing with knowledge. But if one sees through intellect, or knowledge, what is being seen, other than a memory? If that is the case, then knowledge, and understanding, can only take us back to what we already know, and cannot reveal to us what is beyond it. </p>
<p>So, if we are in agreement so far, then what is to be done? There are several questions one could go into at this point; perception, understanding, knowledge, seeing, the &#8220;I&#8221; movement, and so on. I would take all of them, and more, in turn, and question them; find out what is at the core. I usually look up a word in a reputable dictionary to see the etymology and the various meanings. Then I see how it relates to memory, action, movement, stillness, etc. </p>
<p>But when I relate these things, I do not start from the idea that I am right. Or that I have the right idea that everything should be compared to. It is more of a matter of seeing how one&#8217;s mind works. How the knowledge contained therein is used, accessed, and stored. How our prejudices dominate over all things. </p>
<p>It seems daunting, and diligence IS needed, along with a certain amount of sincerity and seriousness. But if it is what you are interested in, go for it. The time will pass anyway, so what would you like to do with it?</p>
<p>You always give me a lot to write about, Albert. Keep it coming.</p>
<p>Takuin</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is that analogy of a fan. When unplugged the blades continue to spin. The self and the seeking are the same and when it is seen through nothing takes its place, &#039;someone&#039; and &#039;home&#039; cannot be localized into an anyone or anyplace. If no-one is home then freedom is the residence. That being said, this Alan person still takes it personally. This Alan person still &#039;thinks&#039; it is seeing through or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is that analogy of a fan. When unplugged the blades continue to spin. The self and the seeking are the same and when it is seen through nothing takes its place, &#8216;someone&#8217; and &#8216;home&#8217; cannot be localized into an anyone or anyplace. If no-one is home then freedom is the residence. That being said, this Alan person still takes it personally. This Alan person still &#8216;thinks&#8217; it is seeing through or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert &#124; UrbanMonk dot Net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert &#124; UrbanMonk dot Net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...you ask, what searches? And to  be free from what? I guess...the ego searches to be free of the ego. Until it realises how absurd that is. But even though I understand intellectually how crazy that is, I can&#039;t fully stop it. I don&#039;t know if that makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;you ask, what searches? And to  be free from what? I guess&#8230;the ego searches to be free of the ego. Until it realises how absurd that is. But even though I understand intellectually how crazy that is, I can&#8217;t fully stop it. I don&#8217;t know if that makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
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		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something else...

Someone might consider self-inquiry to be &quot;seeking,&quot; and I can see that. But the emphasis is that there is no reliance on outside authority. 

With inquiry you niether accept or reject anything. It is just there. You see it for what it is, but if your thoughts are involved, with your preferences and prejudices, you are still enslaved to an outside authority.

Does that make sense? 

Things are not rejected because of what you know. Rather, they fall away on their own, when seen as they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something else&#8230;</p>
<p>Someone might consider self-inquiry to be &#8220;seeking,&#8221; and I can see that. But the emphasis is that there is no reliance on outside authority. </p>
<p>With inquiry you niether accept or reject anything. It is just there. You see it for what it is, but if your thoughts are involved, with your preferences and prejudices, you are still enslaved to an outside authority.</p>
<p>Does that make sense? </p>
<p>Things are not rejected because of what you know. Rather, they fall away on their own, when seen as they are.</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
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		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patricia...nice to see you again! 

That is a question I have asked myself; Do we really listen? What is it to listen? Can there be an interpretation? If so, what is it that does the interpreting? 

After all, the ears are mere instruments. They cannot measure, calculate, or differentiate. They can only hear. 

I wonder why we cannot.

Takuin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patricia&#8230;nice to see you again! </p>
<p>That is a question I have asked myself; Do we really listen? What is it to listen? Can there be an interpretation? If so, what is it that does the interpreting? </p>
<p>After all, the ears are mere instruments. They cannot measure, calculate, or differentiate. They can only hear. </p>
<p>I wonder why we cannot.</p>
<p>Takuin</p>
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