For many, it does go on as you’ve described; the losing and the finding. And these same people may see intellectually how this all came about. But that does not seem to be enough for them.

These things to go on because we allow them to go on. There is not really any other reason. We can get into why this happens; if it is a matter of security for the self and so on; but it goes on because we allow it.

so why is it like this? any idea?

D0 you mean why is it detrimental, or why does it go on like this?

so why is it like this? any idea?

This is an important function – all of this doing – because we do live in a physical world. And in order to get from one place to another we may need to plan and prepare. But this, on its own, is not really an impediment to anything.

I guess if I took a step back and looked at it from a world(ish) view, then maybe I could say that alarm setting happened, awakening happened, working out happened, but it wouldn’t be from my perspective.

This may in fact be true; that things just happen. (I say may be because many people are now well-read in this terminology. We must see if we actually live it, or if it is just another idea.) But don’t fall into the trap of trying to see what is happening.

When a guru says something like, “All of this is just happening,” or, “Watch what happens,” the listener translates that into a person that watches, or “I am seeing these things happen.” But if one really ‘sees’ what is happening, there will be no awareness of what is happening.

Let’s put it another way; the listener sees things happening as a sequence; this happens, then this, then this, and so on. But it is not as if this happens, then it switches to the next thing, then the next; it is not a sequence of events happening in time, it is one constant, never-ending event. There is no ‘next’ thing. No beginning or end. No sequence.

The one seeing the sequence is the same one that created the sequence in time. It is still a step by step movement in an attempt to attain something.

We have an image for everything, you see. So when we exert ourselves and attempt to see what is happening, we just shift from one image to the next, in whatever sequence that fits the apparent physical circumstances.

If one is beyond the image, nothing will happen, and there will be no one that sees anything. Do you understand what I mean?

I’ve read others’ accounts of their awakenings, but yours, from what I’ve gathered so far, happened abruptly, unexpectedly, and explosively. I’d love to read the account, but haven’t found it yet.

I’ve actually posted more than one version of that story here, but I always end up deleting them. I just have not found the right way to express that event.

I guess by reading certain posts, and especially certain discussion on this site, it can be pieced together.

But I will write a page about it sometime in the near future. I have actually been thinking on this recently. Thanks for reminding me!

I want to do something to get what you’ve got, but I know, or so I’ve been told, that there’s nothing to do. Then, like you say, there’s no one to do it anyway.

Don’t take my word for it.

If you really want freedom, no one can give it to you. But you’ll have to discard even ‘no one can give it to you,’ in order to approach this thing.

All of this stuff…it may be true. But accepting it as the truth, without ever having seen it on your own, will mean nothing.

And when I say ‘freedom,’ I mean complete and total freedom. Even the path you have chosen for yourself will not survive.

Good luck to you, my friend.

This morning I woke up to the sound of the alarm clock which I set last night before I went to bed. I was there for all of that… I did those things I claim I did. I worked out after waking up, then I took a shower, got dressed, and went for my annual physical. Same I, me, was there, doing all of that, too.

I guess if I took a step back and looked at it from a world(ish) view, then maybe I could say that alarm setting happened, awakening happened, working out happened, but it wouldn’t be from my perspective. You’re perspective, however, is intriguing to me, and I’d love to see what you see.

You were awakened on 12/1/06, or awakening happened. I’ve read others’ accounts of their awakenings, but yours, from what I’ve gathered so far, happened abruptly, unexpectedly, and explosively. I’d love to read the account, but haven’t found it yet. I want to do something to get what you’ve got, but I know, or so I’ve been told, that there’s nothing to do. Then, like you say, there’s no one to do it anyway.