I subscribe to the concept of non duality and there being only one Consciousness, Awareness and that that Consciousness is causative; a quantum intentionality if you will, the function of which is to experience separation even if it is only an illusion.

Eric,

Is it possible to have a non-dual concept?

But what the hell do I know?

There you go…that is a good place to begin.

(I know, you’re gonna tell me the meaninglessness is a belief also, and I should look and see for myself if they are or not.)

Meaninglessness is not necessarily a belief. If you say, “Belief is meaningless,” and you BELIEVE IT, then you might be in trouble. But we can use that word to point out a kind of nothingness of the organism.

If someone says belief is meaningless, you have to ask, What does that mean? Meaningless in what way? (You are not looking for one side to prevail over the other. You just want to be clear as to the meaning of the speaker. Then you can move from there.)

Many people say this or that is useless or meaningless only because someone told them so. But how useful or meaningful is that?

It is interesting…a seeker does not go to a guru for answers. They only wish to find an authority that will validate the answers they already have. If the guru speaks in a way that is contrary to the seeker’s belief (or answer), then he is crazy. But if the guru matches the answer already held, the seeker becomes the follower.

If one discounts their own answers, the guru becomes meaningless. But that is not because there is something wrong with the guru.

Ask yourself, are you a question, searching for an answer? Or are you already the answer, seeking the right question?

Nice comment about angels. I look at it a little differently. Land based creatures develop a kind of flat-land thing with concepts like up and down. In the sea, you are in a more 3D space. If you want to learn to “drive” properly in the ocean, you have to get rid of those ideas. Ground and sky are not reliable reference points. Most of the worlds life lives there. Angels are more like that – no boundaries like up and down or can’t or solid. Indeed, almost no boundaries at all. But they lack something we have – the ability to experience contrasts clearly enough to step out of them.

What I or anyone else says or thinks can never change or even truly apprehend truth. One thing that keeps me coming back to read your posts is that no matter how much you question my conclusions, perceptions and beliefs, you always stress looking for myself, for that is where reality will be found. Damn, what I really want is for someone to just hand me the answers! (laughs).

These days if I am hurt I take that as an opportunity to see why I allowed my self to be hurt. What lesson do I need to learn? The cure for the pain is found in the pain. Very trite, but I think it’s true. As for the original statement that there are no other people all I can say is that I subscribe to the concept of non duality and there being only one Consciousness, Awareness and that that Consciousness is causative; a quantum intentionality if you will, the function of which is to experience separation even if it is only an illusion. But what the hell do I know? These are just beliefs and as such meaningless. ( I know, you’re gonna tell me the meaninglessness is a belief also, and I should look and see for myself if they are or not.)

I could go on and on but for the fact that I don’t know what I’m talkin’ about, but here’s one more belief; angels can fly because they take themselves so lightly. Namaste, folks.

That disconnect is well illustrated in the discussion above. 2 distinct positions that did not meet and the very point was missed.

It reminds me of the idea of seeing the eyes that look. We do not see who is seeing because we are that. (although there’s nothing to see anyway (laughs)) It is the same way with beliefs. When they are heald close, when we identify with them, they become part of what we see ourselvs to be. Thus a contrary position is seen/perceived as a threat to our identity. Something that must be fought. We don’t see this because we are it. Or at least, this is what the mind holds. Being able to see it is just a belief, and as you exemplify, that we can choose to step out of belief, is the doorway to freedom.

It is the end of suffering, so an important discussion, even if someone may see themselves as offended in the process.

If you want to go into whether these things are belief or not, then keep posting comments. We can go into this as much as you would like. I’ll never deny you a place here, and I’ll seriously consider whatever it is you say.

I can’t say you are wrong about any of this. I don’t believe it has to be one way or the other.

I am sorry if you are disappointed in something here, but I won’t try to keep you from leaving.