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	<title>Comments on: Zen and the Cockroach</title>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/zen-and-the-cockroach/comment-page-1/#comment-13086</link>
		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mike.

These are things that cannot really be figured out through rational thinking. I am not saying one has to figure out anything about a koan, because that is not really the point. But when someone puts their shoes on their head, it is not an action that can be followed in a step by step fashion, like solving a crime. 

Takuin has made many strange actions or movements in its life, and in hindsight, if someone else tells the story, it might seem like a koan. But I can tell you right now, these actions, if they happen at all, do not arise from a &#039;&lt;em&gt;because&lt;/em&gt;.&#039; It is not as if one says, &quot;I am going to put shoes on my head because it means THIS.&quot; 

It all seems to arise, more often than not, in moments of great emotional tension, for whatever reason. Although I am not sure of what that might mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mike.</p>
<p>These are things that cannot really be figured out through rational thinking. I am not saying one has to figure out anything about a koan, because that is not really the point. But when someone puts their shoes on their head, it is not an action that can be followed in a step by step fashion, like solving a crime. </p>
<p>Takuin has made many strange actions or movements in its life, and in hindsight, if someone else tells the story, it might seem like a koan. But I can tell you right now, these actions, if they happen at all, do not arise from a &#8216;<em>because</em>.&#8217; It is not as if one says, &#8220;I am going to put shoes on my head because it means THIS.&#8221; </p>
<p>It all seems to arise, more often than not, in moments of great emotional tension, for whatever reason. Although I am not sure of what that might mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/zen-and-the-cockroach/comment-page-1/#comment-13029</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your story should be added to The Gateless Gate.  What a wonderful koan.  Here&#039;s another good one from that very cool book:

Nansen saw the monks of the eastern and western halls fighting over a cat. He seized the cat and told the monks: `If any of you say a good word, you can save the cat.&#039; No one answered. So Nansen boldly cut the cat in two pieces. 

That evening Joshu returned and Nansen told him about this. Joshu removed his sandals and, placing them on his head, walked out. 

Nansen said: `If you had been there, you could have saved the cat.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your story should be added to The Gateless Gate.  What a wonderful koan.  Here&#8217;s another good one from that very cool book:</p>
<p>Nansen saw the monks of the eastern and western halls fighting over a cat. He seized the cat and told the monks: `If any of you say a good word, you can save the cat.&#8217; No one answered. So Nansen boldly cut the cat in two pieces. </p>
<p>That evening Joshu returned and Nansen told him about this. Joshu removed his sandals and, placing them on his head, walked out. </p>
<p>Nansen said: `If you had been there, you could have saved the cat.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/zen-and-the-cockroach/comment-page-1/#comment-12376</link>
		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is good for the spider.

Too bad for the pig.

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is good for the spider.</p>
<p>Too bad for the pig.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.takuin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/zen-and-the-cockroach/comment-page-1/#comment-12372</link>
		<dc:creator>Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 03:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the cold porcelain
of the white soaking tub
is a tiny jet black spider.

It is almost dawn.

She goes barefoot 
to the kitchen
selects a tall glass,
returns to the bathroom
and brings the open end down 
over the faintly furry body.

She finds
a piece of paper
and slides it 
underneath the glass.

A bird begins 
it’s morning liturgy.

The spider scurries up 
the side of the glass
looking for a way out. 

She tells him 
what a foolish fellow he is 
how inconsiderate 
of her wishes 
that he remain outside 
where he most naturally belongs. 

She tells him 
he is lucky 
she is not hungry 
for spider this morning
how lovely he would taste 
on a piece of toast 
with a bit of ginger jam.

She carries him outside
across the cold, wet grass
to a creamy white lily 
iridescent in the half light
and pulls the paper away.

A doe and her fawn look up
distracted for a moment
from the delectable roses.

She returns to the kitchen
makes an omelet 
and fills it with 
sautéed mushrooms
and the most succulent ham.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the cold porcelain<br />
of the white soaking tub<br />
is a tiny jet black spider.</p>
<p>It is almost dawn.</p>
<p>She goes barefoot<br />
to the kitchen<br />
selects a tall glass,<br />
returns to the bathroom<br />
and brings the open end down<br />
over the faintly furry body.</p>
<p>She finds<br />
a piece of paper<br />
and slides it<br />
underneath the glass.</p>
<p>A bird begins<br />
it’s morning liturgy.</p>
<p>The spider scurries up<br />
the side of the glass<br />
looking for a way out. </p>
<p>She tells him<br />
what a foolish fellow he is<br />
how inconsiderate<br />
of her wishes<br />
that he remain outside<br />
where he most naturally belongs. </p>
<p>She tells him<br />
he is lucky<br />
she is not hungry<br />
for spider this morning<br />
how lovely he would taste<br />
on a piece of toast<br />
with a bit of ginger jam.</p>
<p>She carries him outside<br />
across the cold, wet grass<br />
to a creamy white lily<br />
iridescent in the half light<br />
and pulls the paper away.</p>
<p>A doe and her fawn look up<br />
distracted for a moment<br />
from the delectable roses.</p>
<p>She returns to the kitchen<br />
makes an omelet<br />
and fills it with<br />
sautéed mushrooms<br />
and the most succulent ham.</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/zen-and-the-cockroach/comment-page-1/#comment-12214</link>
		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart,

Nice story…and thanks for sharing with us…

My only question is, what do you think will happen when you find the next roach?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart,</p>
<p>Nice story…and thanks for sharing with us…</p>
<p>My only question is, what do you think will happen when you find the next roach?</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart (SNI, ACIM)</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/zen-and-the-cockroach/comment-page-1/#comment-12120</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart (SNI, ACIM)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Takuin,

Below is my story of a recent encounter with a roach.  I wrote it a few months ago, in June.  It came to mind when I read this.  Hope it is okay to post it here:

FORGIVEN BY A ROACH
   My daughter had an adult-size roach living in and around the window sill in her bedroom.  That’s where it made its home.  She screamed the first time she saw it, and refused to sleep in her room while it was still alive.  We bought the sticky roach traps and the roach poison that they eat and later die from.  But this roach didn’t seem to be wandering off too far from the windowsill so didn’t take the bait since we left these contraptions on the floor under my daughter&#039;s bed.
   I’m a persistent guy and I’ve dealt with roaches before and have overcome for the most part my squeamishness toward them, although that is still the first instinct that comes up for me.  So each time I’d walk by my now-empty daughter’s room I’d peak in and see if the roach was out and about.  Maybe one out of five times, I’d spot the roach.  Always moving along the wall right alongside the windowsill. And relatively slowly it moved, for a roach.  It seemed pretty content, not hyper or jerky and fearful as roaches often appear to be.   First time I saw it I grabbed the first thing I could find to swat it, a tissue box.  But I missed.  It got away and slid under a sliver of an opening on the inner side of the windowsill.  Next time around, which I think was the following day, I had another chance.  I saw the roach again climbing up the wall alongside the windowsill, which I should mention was a brown color similar to that of the roach. I again grabbed the closest weapon I could find, the tissue box, and smashed it against the wall using, using far more force than was needed.  Amazingly, the roach dodged out the way and leaped onto the tissue box itself.  This was done in a split second. What reflexes! 
I pulled back and the tissue box ended up on the bed.  The roach, instinctively, took off and headed for the side of the bed and toward the shadowy world below.  There was not time for me to grab the tissue box.  I smash the side of my hand against the side of the bed and the roach splattered all over the place on the floor.  I cleaned up the mess the best I could and told my wife who called me a hero.  
   I didn’t feel like one, though.  I took the life of this roach, who basically was just going about its business, rather nonchalantly and contentedly, as I mentioned.  And then I swooped down and brought its life to a sudden end.
   So I forgave the roach in my own mind, and myself, for killing it.  And surprisingly, I felt the roach had forgiven me for killing it as well. So I’m okay with this roach now.  And my daughter it again sleeping in her room again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Takuin,</p>
<p>Below is my story of a recent encounter with a roach.  I wrote it a few months ago, in June.  It came to mind when I read this.  Hope it is okay to post it here:</p>
<p>FORGIVEN BY A ROACH<br />
   My daughter had an adult-size roach living in and around the window sill in her bedroom.  That’s where it made its home.  She screamed the first time she saw it, and refused to sleep in her room while it was still alive.  We bought the sticky roach traps and the roach poison that they eat and later die from.  But this roach didn’t seem to be wandering off too far from the windowsill so didn’t take the bait since we left these contraptions on the floor under my daughter&#8217;s bed.<br />
   I’m a persistent guy and I’ve dealt with roaches before and have overcome for the most part my squeamishness toward them, although that is still the first instinct that comes up for me.  So each time I’d walk by my now-empty daughter’s room I’d peak in and see if the roach was out and about.  Maybe one out of five times, I’d spot the roach.  Always moving along the wall right alongside the windowsill. And relatively slowly it moved, for a roach.  It seemed pretty content, not hyper or jerky and fearful as roaches often appear to be.   First time I saw it I grabbed the first thing I could find to swat it, a tissue box.  But I missed.  It got away and slid under a sliver of an opening on the inner side of the windowsill.  Next time around, which I think was the following day, I had another chance.  I saw the roach again climbing up the wall alongside the windowsill, which I should mention was a brown color similar to that of the roach. I again grabbed the closest weapon I could find, the tissue box, and smashed it against the wall using, using far more force than was needed.  Amazingly, the roach dodged out the way and leaped onto the tissue box itself.  This was done in a split second. What reflexes!<br />
I pulled back and the tissue box ended up on the bed.  The roach, instinctively, took off and headed for the side of the bed and toward the shadowy world below.  There was not time for me to grab the tissue box.  I smash the side of my hand against the side of the bed and the roach splattered all over the place on the floor.  I cleaned up the mess the best I could and told my wife who called me a hero.<br />
   I didn’t feel like one, though.  I took the life of this roach, who basically was just going about its business, rather nonchalantly and contentedly, as I mentioned.  And then I swooped down and brought its life to a sudden end.<br />
   So I forgave the roach in my own mind, and myself, for killing it.  And surprisingly, I felt the roach had forgiven me for killing it as well. So I’m okay with this roach now.  And my daughter it again sleeping in her room again.</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/zen-and-the-cockroach/comment-page-1/#comment-10574</link>
		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ayako,

Welcome to my house! 

If you were not scared, would you have killed the little guy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ayako,</p>
<p>Welcome to my house! </p>
<p>If you were not scared, would you have killed the little guy?</p>
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		<title>By: Ayako</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/zen-and-the-cockroach/comment-page-1/#comment-10529</link>
		<dc:creator>Ayako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhm.. I cannot kill it bacause I am so scared. I guess I should be the student so that you would not need to leave?! 
Each life has a life but it is hard to distinguish between murder and necessity termination?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhm.. I cannot kill it bacause I am so scared. I guess I should be the student so that you would not need to leave?!<br />
Each life has a life but it is hard to distinguish between murder and necessity termination?!</p>
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		<title>By: takuin</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/zen-and-the-cockroach/comment-page-1/#comment-10486</link>
		<dc:creator>takuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is true; it could not have happened any other way. Whether it is right or wrong is of no concern here. All one can see is what actually happened. 

But even now, all that remains is the memory.  It has lost its luster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true; it could not have happened any other way. Whether it is right or wrong is of no concern here. All one can see is what actually happened. </p>
<p>But even now, all that remains is the memory.  It has lost its luster.</p>
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		<title>By: iamasimpelman</title>
		<link>http://www.takuin.com/zen-and-the-cockroach/comment-page-1/#comment-10481</link>
		<dc:creator>iamasimpelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you did both the right thing.
You and the student.
iamasimpelman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you did both the right thing.<br />
You and the student.<br />
iamasimpelman</p>
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